Steroids vs Natural: The Muscle Building Effects Of Steroid Use

Let me preface this entire post by saying that I am definitely NOT an expert on steroid use. I’ve personally never used steroids or any related drugs for the purpose of building muscle, improving performance or getting any similar benefit. I’ve honestly never even considered doing so, nor would I ever consider doing so in the future. That’s just me.

As for whether or not anyone else uses steroids/drugs for these purposes… I honestly couldn’t give a crap. It’s your body, your decision. It’s none of my business what you do, and it really doesn’t matter to me either way.

The only time steroid use DOES matter to me is when its muscle building and performance enhancing effects are hidden or lied about (for more than just personal reasons), downplayed, or just used deceptively in some way that negatively affects the people who don’t actually use steroids.

How can this happen, you ask? I’ll show you in a second. But first, there’s something you need to know…

Steroids vs Natural: It’s Not Even Close

As most of us can already guess, the average person using steroids will generally get much better results in terms of building muscle and improving performance than someone who is natural and not using anything (especially with all else being equal). That’s common sense, right?

But what might surprise you is the actual degree of difference. As it turns out, there is one specific study that shows this difference quite clearly.

The Study

This 10 week study took a group of 43 men of normal body weight between the ages of 19 and 40 who all had some degree of weight training experience. These men were then split up into 4 different groups:

  • Group 1 did NOT do any form of exercise, and did NOT receive any form of steroids or drugs. (Natural guys doing no weight training.)
  • Group 2 did NOT do any form of exercise, but they received weekly injections of 600 mg of testosterone enanthate. (Drug users doing no weight training.)
  • Group 3 DID exercise, but they did NOT receive any form of steroids or drugs. (Natural guys doing weight training.)
  • Group 4 DID exercise, and they also received weekly injections of 600 mg of testosterone enanthate. (Drug users doing weight training.)

All of their diets (calorie intake, protein intake, nutrient intake, etc.) were standardized according to each person’s body weight, recorded, verified and adjusted when needed. The 2 groups who WERE weight training (groups 3 and 4) followed the same supervised workouts each week.

Meaning, with the exception of the fact that some groups were or were not weight training, and some were or were not using drugs… everything else (diet and training) was equal and even.

The Results

So… guess what happened?

  • Group 1 (no exercise, natural) experienced no significant changes. No surprise there.
  • Group 2 (no exercise, drug use) was able to build about 7 pounds of muscle. That’s not a typo. The group receiving testosterone injections and NOT working out at all gained 7 pounds of muscle.
  • Group 3 (exercise, natural) was able to build about 4 pounds of muscle.
  • Group 4 (exercise, drug use) was able to build about 13 pounds of muscle.

So What Does This Study Show Us?

Well, for starters, if you are natural and not doing any form of weight training, your muscle building results will suck. But we all knew that already.

Second, the muscle building effects of steroids are pretty F-ing significant. Despite using identical workout routines and diets, the guys who were also receiving testosterone injections gained over 3 TIMES as much muscle as the natural guys in the same period of time. The average difference was 13lbs gained to just 4lbs gained.

And third… here’s the most insane part of all. The group getting the testosterone injections and NOT doing any form of weight training whatsoever still gained significantly more muscle than the natural guys who WERE weight training. The difference was 7lbs gained to 4lbs gained.

Let me repeat that again just in case it didn’t sink in. Guys using drugs and doing NOTHING built more muscle than the natural guys who were weight training 3 times per week. How crazy is that?

I know my article about how much muscle you can gain mentions steroid/drug use as one of the main factors that influence a person’s rate and limit of muscle growth, but did you think the effects would be THIS significant? No? Well… surprise! They are.

My Big Points

And just to clarify, I’m not telling you about this study to make it seem like everyone who uses steroids/drugs got their results without tons of hard work and effort as well. That’s definitely not true.

Instead, I’m telling you about this study to show you that:

  • With all else (diet, workout, effort level, etc.) being equal, steroids work a shitload better.
  • Even in the absence of ANY training, hard work or effort at all, steroids still work a shitload better.

Why am I telling you this? Because not being completely aware of these facts is what often causes natural men and women to make HUGE mistakes in how they train, how they eat, whose advice they trust, what realistic results they expect, what goals they set, what claims they believe, and what products and supplements they spend their money on.

How Steroid Use Negatively Affects NON-Steroid Users

I’m not talking about the direct “side effects” that may come from using various performance enhancing/muscle building drugs… I’m talking about the indirect effects that come as a result of us natural people being unknowingly (and often deceptively) exposed to those who are using.

To show you what I mean, here are some common examples of the problems that arise:

  • The “Do What They’re Doing” Problem

Take for example the big awesome looking guy you can find in almost any gym on the planet. The guy who stands out instantly among a sea of people with average looking bodies at best. I’m talking about the kind of guy that most other guys look at in a gym and think: “I need to find out what this dude is doing so I can start doing it too and look as awesome as he does!”

The same thought occurs when looking at the bodybuilders in magazines, the A-list celebrity in some movie, the jacked guys on internet forums and websites, and so on. We look at them, see the results they’ve gotten, and our first instinct is to replicate whatever it is they are doing.

It seems like a great idea… and we’ve all probably been there before. I mean, if something worked so well for them, we should surely do it too so we can get the same awesome results. Right? In theory, sure. But in reality, steroid/drug use often invalidates this theory.

You see, various steroids and drugs allow stuff that shouldn’t work to still work anyway. Meaning, drug use can make up for a shitty diet or workout program. It can make something that would work horribly for a natural trainee work amazingly well for someone who isn’t natural. Hell, as the study above showed, drugs can sometimes make up for not even training at all in the first place.

So you know all of that typical bodybuilding nonsense you often see those “awesome-bodied” people doing? The 100 sets of this, 100 sets of that, 20 isolation exercises of this, 20 supersets of that. The typical high volume (often low frequency) “blast the crap out of your muscles from every angle” pump training garbage that every respectable trainer and strength coach on the planet regards as crap?

Well, it IS crap… for us natural people. But add steroids/drugs into the equation, and that changes.

With enough drugs, a person’s workout routine becomes borderline irrelevant in terms of building muscle. You can go to the gym and bang your head into a wall for 45 minutes and still end up getting significantly better results than the typical natural guy training correctly and working his off ass.

And therein lies the problem with the idea of “doing what they’re doing” based solely on how that person’s body looks. Sure, they could be doing things correctly and you could benefit from doing the same. But, it could also just as easily be that they’re doing everything wrong and the muscle building effects of steroids/drugs has allowed it to work well for them anyway.

This latter case just leads to us natural people training like idiots and getting absolutely nowhere (except possibly overtrained and injured).

  • The “Deceptive Claims” Problem

I can’t remember the last time I saw an ad or sales page for any sort of muscle building program, product or supplement that didn’t feature guys who are obviously not natural. Whether they are just using the product, providing testimonials for the program, holding the supplement, or being used in the before and after pictures, steroid/drug use is often one of the #1 deceptive sales tactics among many muscle building products.

Why? So natural people see it and think: “Wow… X pounds of muscle gained in only Y weeks?!?! Holy crap! That’s lightning fast muscle growth bro!! I can’t wait to buy this program/product/supplement and get those same amazing results!”

There’s just one tiny problem. Unless you’re using the same drugs these guys used, you’re not going to get those same results. In many cases, you probably won’t get any results at all.

But, that’s just the nature of the diet and fitness industry. Do whatever is necessary to trick people into thinking something will work significantly better/faster/easier than everything else. Steroid and drug use is just one of the MANY methods used to create this illusion. If you don’t realize it (like most people don’t), you’ll just end up wasting tons of your money on garbage.

  • The “Unrealistic Male Expectations” Problem

Like I’ve covered in detail before, the true rate and limit of muscle growth for a natural trainee is WAY slower and lesser than most people (guys especially) think and hope it is. But add steroids or drugs into the mix like the study from before did, and those rates and limits can be GREATLY exceeded.

And it’s this significant difference that puts unrealistic expectations into the minds of virtually every guy hoping to build any amount of muscle naturally. Guess what happens when you start thinking you should be able to build muscle faster or easier than you ever actually could?

You waste your effort trying every diet and workout on the planet seeking impossible results. You waste your money on more useless bullshit. You waste your time searching for something that doesn’t exist (naturally, at least). You constantly think you’re failing even though you probably aren’t.

It all happens because you have unrealistic expectations about what can actually be accomplished naturally, and the steroid/drug use of others is what often puts it there.

  • The “Unrealistic Female Fears” Problem

I know the study I referenced was done on guys and that the majority of the things I’m saying about steroids are geared more towards men. But ladies, there’s an important message here for you too.

Remember my article about why workout routines for women suck? And how the extremely common fear most females have about getting “too big and bulky” is just pure bullshit that is preventing you from training correctly?

If so, then you probably also remember the ONE exception I mentioned where this silly fear can actually become a reality. If you forgot… I’m talking about drug use. Yup, the same drug use that causes natural men to have unrealistic muscle building expectations is the same drug use that causes natural women to have unrealistic muscle building fears.

Many of those huge, bulky, manly looking female bodybuilders/athletes/wrestlers that have scared most women away from lifting anything heavier than a 3 pound pink dumbbell got their bulky muscular bodies with the help of steroids/drugs. And while the exact numbers would be a bit different for women than it is for men, you can bet your sweet ass that the degree of difference between a woman using steroids VS a woman who isn’t would be just as big, if not bigger.

But most women don’t know that. Instead, the steroid use of other women has put a fear into the head of most natural women that makes them waste years of their life with pointless toning workouts that accomplish nothing useful whatsoever.

  • The “Trust & Knowledge” Problem

And then of course we have the idea that someone who has achieved what we hope to achieve must obviously be a trustworthy and knowledgeable source of information on that subject.

Case in point: the workout and diet advice given by someone with an awesome body is probably much better and more accurate than workout and diet advice given by someone with a not-so-great body.

In theory, this again makes perfect sense. But in reality, it’s FAR from true. I’m definitely not saying that some out of shape fat dude who looks like they’ve never seen the inside of a gym has any idea what the hell he’s talking about when it comes to diet and fitness (he probably doesn’t 99.9% of the time).

But what I am saying is that the guy with the awesome body could be equally clueless, and his diet and workout advice can be equally horse shit.

How can that be if he looks so awesome? Simple… steroids and drugs. They can overcome stupid. They can make up for doing things incorrectly. They can hide a lack of knowledge. They can make it so that someone who is wrong about every aspect of training and nutrition can still get some degree of positive results and “look the part” anyway.

But the uninformed natural trainee seeking quality advice doesn’t know this. He/she just sees someone with a body like they want to have and automatically assumes that everything that person says, writes or sells must definitely be high quality and worth trusting. This is a dangerous mindset to have, because it’s NOT true.

I see examples of this firsthand in my gym, online and in the media on a daily basis. The shittiest advice is often coming out of the mouths of the people with the best bodies. How? Because drugs can make people look a whole lot smarter than they actually are. (And to be fair, I should also mention that amazing genetics can have a similar stupidity-hiding-effect.)

And please don’t misunderstand me here. I’m NOT saying that everyone with an awesome body is clueless. That’s obviously not true, as some of the smartest people in the diet and fitness world are the people with the best bodies. My point here is that an awesome body does NOT tell you everything (or in some cases anything) about how trustworthy and knowledgeable that person is about the topics relating to getting that awesome body.

They could have gotten that body thanks to years of researching, learning, eating right, training intelligently and working their asses off. Or, they could have used drugs/steroids, eaten and trained like a dumbass, and still ended up getting great results in spite of it all. Drugs (and/or hitting the genetic lottery) can make it possible.

Steroids vs Natural: Be Aware Of The Difference

Please keep in mind that this is not at all meant to be some kind of ANTI-steroid article. It’s just meant to be a PRO-natural-people-not-screwing-up-as-a-result-of-other-people’s-steroid-use article.

Once again, I don’t give a crap if anyone else chooses to use these kinds of drugs. I personally don’t and wouldn’t, and this article really has nothing to do with that subject.

My only goal here is to show the true muscle building effects of drug use and the real degree of difference between those who ARE using and those who AREN’T. Why? So those of us who aren’t don’t waste any of our time, effort or money as a result of the fact that many people are.

This fact often goes unrealized and is deceptively used against us on a regular basis. My advice is simple: be aware of it and don’t let it negatively affect your results.

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46 Comments

  1. Richard says

    Thanks for your clear-headed advice. It’s really hard not to see those bulked-up guys and wonder what you’re doing wrong in your routine. And, as you say, it’s natural to think they hold the key to making you look like them. Not true.

    By the way, 4 pounds of new muscle in 10 weeks is not too shabby for the natural group. I’m wondering what their routine was!

    • says

      Yup, 4lbs in 10 weeks for a natural trainee isn’t too shabby at all. It’s actually right within the 0.25-0.5lb of muscle per week range I mention here: http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/how-much-muscle-can-you-gain/

      As for the routine used, it looks like it was a fairly standard 3 day full body routine focused around the bench press and squat that varied the intensity (heavy, light, medium) during each workout. 4-5 sets of 6 reps was used.

      • Stephen says

        Hi i know you made the comment about it’s up to them there body but are you really against using them for health reasons because a lot of people seem to be using them IE bodybuilders and the biggest majority seem to be ok and not paying a price i just want to know if anybody thinks the helth risks outweigh the benefits and why?

  2. Neal says

    I love getting your posting updates! Everything you post is very informative and straight to the point! I’ve also been using your workout routine for about 4 weeks now and I have gotten stronger and bigger than I ever have using other routines from books I purchased in the past. I was way over working my body with 3-4 different exercises of 8-12 reps for each muscle group taking up 1.5 hrs 4 times per week, now I’m done in 45 minutes and I actually see results. Thanks Jay, I’m glad I found your website, your book is great too!

  3. Steve says

    From what i’ve seen, you can get pretty awesome results on steroids, but once off steroids, those same people come back pretty much to where they would have been if they hadn’t of taken steroids. of course you can stay on the gear all year round (like those nut-jobs in the magazines) but say goodbye to a normal functioning hormone system and hello to gonads the size of almonds. that’s my two cents worth!

    • Sarah says

      Changes to your natural testosterone production (and thus, ball size) depends heavily on how much you use, what you use, and even when you use it. The “small balls” thing is a very blanket statement made by people who generally know very little about steroids. Likewise, maintenance of gains post-cycle is also dependent on what you take on cycle and how you handle your post-cycle therapy.

      It should be noted that steroids are used to treat muscle-wasting caused by cancer and AIDS, and burn victims who have lost large amount of body mass. They would NOT be used if gains were not largely maintained following end of treatment.

    • Michael King says

      NOT true, Steve. What you say is only true if you’re talking about beginners, by which I mean those who have little or no prior steroid use. Take someone who’s been training naturally a couple of years and has put on 15-20 lbs muscle for argument’s sake. Have that person do an 8-week steroid cycle and put on another 15 lbs then stop the juice. Yes, 6 months later he’ll have little or nothing to show for it, especially since, as a beginner to cycling, he probably doesn’t know enough about coming off correctly (ancillary drug use) to preserve as much muscle as possible.

      But if you take someone who’s been juicing on and off for years, he is permanently retaining a significant chunk of the muscle he built with the aid of the juice. Dan Duchaine, who was way ahead of his time, said way back in ’82 that if a guy manages to hold on to his new muscle for 6 months at least, he’ll hold on to most of it permanently. I can’t completely vouch for that, but he was going in the right direction if my own case is any indication.

      In the last seventeen years of training I did about an equal number of cycles, maybe a bit less. Some were short 6 week things, some were quite lengthy. I haven’t really trained at all since ’09, just a few half-hearted sessions occasionally. Right now I’m around 210 lbs LEAN (not total… lean), and seventeen years ago I was about 150 lbs lean. Out of those 60 lbs lean gain, I’m gonna credit steroids with about half — 30 lbs, and the other 30 lbs I would’ve gained anyway. At my biggest I had maybe another 20 lbs lean.

      You do NOT lose everything when you stop being gung-ho in the gym, not if you managed to remain “big” a good part of the time, and to do so does not require being “on” all the time… it requires knowledge (like how to come off, as I said above, not to mention knowledge of nutrition and training) and serious training for a number of years, whether “on” or, more importantly, off.

      • Jess says

        Michael, my new husband has been on and off for years, and he’s 28, and I’m slowly trying to understand more and more about steroids for this use. Your comments sound similar to his, and I am curious as to your honest opinion on the risks and potential consequences of using this way and for so many years. It’s hard for me to find an intelligent user who will honestly share with me the cons of using. Thanks so much in advance!

        • Blastoise says

          The potential consequences of running steroids in the long run are very exaggerated. It depends on how much you use. I doubt your husband is using a bodybuilders amount and even if he did: Take a look on Arnold he is in great shape after 25-30 years of massive steroid use, he was even born with a heart defect.

          Only one former Mr. Olympia has died(World championship in bodybuilding) Sergio Oliva, died at age 71. Not a bad age for someone using massive amounts for ages?

          If you don’t abuse oral drugs, but keep to relatively moderate injections say 600-500mg and having some periods of less to clean the system it’s not much to worry about.

  4. Cindy says

    So I’ve been doing 5×5 for quite a while now. My arms have actually gotten big (still fat so not where I wanna be yet) but I think mostly my arms both delts and biceps got my spouse to stop doing the stupid bodybuilding stuff and is now 5x5ing it with me. I think his expectations are in line with what they should be now, but no I never would have guessed roids would make you grow even if you weren’t working out! Crazy.

    Thanks you’ve helped a lot in all of your info.

    • says

      Glad to hear it.

      And yeah, the muscle building effects of steroids/drugs are downplayed all the time, often by the people who use them and don’t want it to seem like it’s giving them any real advantage.

      For example, on more than one occasion I’ve heard people who are using compare the effects to that of the supplement creatine. As soon as I finish laughing in their face, I tell them to check out the study I mention in this article.

  5. Dennis says

    I have done so many different programs and have great result from some of the programs but I seem to lost track of which one is actually working and which one isn’t….do you think this statement(from the big guy at my gym) is true” how big you are going to get depend on your genetic, no matter how hard you work, this is as big as you will get” do you agree with this statement, because I really really want to get bigger, naturally and always keep my diet in check. thanks so much

    • says

      There is definitely a genetic limit each person has in terms of how much muscle they can gain naturally. This is a fact. But having said that, how hard you work and how correctly you train and eat still definitely matters.

      Your genetics might determine your natural potential, but what you do still determines whether you’ll reach that potential and how long it will take you to do it.

      • JamesOwning40 says

        This is a great point. I just turned 40 and I’m just starting (naturally) to build more muscle, so I have no plans on trying to compete with guys who are 20 and using steroids. I began a few months ago by changing my eating habits; then got back into running. I wasn’t morbidly obese, but at 5′ 10 1/2″ I was about 200 lbs and it was NOT lean muscle :)

        Now that I’ve been running for about 4 months I recently switched to cycling because it’s part of my commute. I’m around 175 lbs now and feeling much better about my appearance. I’m ready now to add some reasonable weight training and conditioning into my routine, so I talked to a buddy who is a fitness trainer at a kettlebell gym so I’m going to work with him.

        Seeing guys walking around have a huge amount of bulk is sometimes discouraging; but instead of measuring myself against that, I just want to focus on being fit with a decent amount of strength and solid core. My goal is to be in the best shape of my life according to my personal potential. Starting at age 40 :)

  6. says

    Hi
    great reading your clearly written articles on training methods and routine.
    I’m a 46yr old male, have gone thru three stages of training in my life.first was when I was 35 for two years, trained hard with friends and toned up nicely but could not get like those ripped guys ( prob using drugs). Then when the gym closed I stopped,at 40 started in a gym training on my own using book” body for life” techniques and enjoyed it as well as making small gains using creatine, whey protien and eating well, then got bored and was going purely for the sauna and steam after a very short workout resulting in me closing the account and giving up. Now after 4 years of not training and eating anything I liked I have grown a bit of a gut and decided in January to turn things around, now go 2 times a week and have tried the Dukan diet which has worked fantastically, I’m now training really hard but know even with the creatine and protien drinks I’m not going to get huge growth as my main problem is lack of testosterone!!
    Apart from looking over the fence at the easy road to get fast muscle gains is there a natural approach to getting my level of testosterone up which would help me make better natural muscle growth gains.
    Thanks for your time reading this.
    Paul

    • says

      Unfortunately, the answer here is pretty much a big no. Beyond just eating/training correctly, getting enough sleep and blah blah blah, there’s no real methods of naturally increasing testosterone levels to any degree that actually matters.

      • says

        I’d like to commend your honesty. Not many are willing to give beginners the straight dope; I’m impressed. To all… listen to this man! The sport needs more like him.

        Keep up the good work and best of luck.

  7. tony says

    i was told or heard that someone that used to cycle pretty heavy for a year or 2 and then stopped going to the gym and stopped all roid use and had a shitty diet will cover most of the gains by fat. But i heard that if they started to have good nutrition again and started to work out that it was easier for them to get results and faster? have you ever heard of this? basically several years later they could shed fat faster and easier and have good gains in a matter of weeks. Not sure if this is just BS or if there is some truth behind it. He also told me he is no longer using roids anymore but his doc did give him androgel and he said he has seen gains with it as well. I dont buy this but i guess anything is possible.

  8. Larry says

    I applaud you for putting out such realistic information! I’m 41 years old and have been training on and off since the age of 25. I’ve come to the same conclusion on almost everything you have on this site. I’ve even hurt my elbow with straight bar curls…. (I am coming back from that now…….and yes I’ve switched to DB and EZ bar curls exclusively as soon as I was able to do curls again.)

    I have a manual labor job so joint recuperation and overall recovery time for me can be tough. I’ve come to the same conclusions on those body builder routines and use a 4 day upper lower myself. (weekends off…….need 2 days for the joints to recover when I don’t get stuck using them at work also.) I’ve also come to the same conclusion on the 3 day full body routines…..I only do them if I’m just starting a comeback from a LONG layoff.

    To anyone reading this message, this guy knows his stuff you can’t go wrong with his book! (and if you actually knew this stuff mostly like I did…….you are already advanced……and there aren’t many of us :)

    • says

      Ha, thanks for the compliments man.

      It seems that if you do something long enough with a focus on keeping what works/helps and avoiding what doesn’t work/hurts, we arrive at very similar conclusions.

  9. Dreas says

    I trained naturally for many years. I started out at 155lb. at a height of 6’0″ and now stand at 5’1/4″ and amazingly still able to put on weight reaching 242lb. at 50 years old! I exercise for 1 hour Monday through Saturday. About 8-12 varying exercises daily with Sundays off.
    Around July, 2011, I had an urology checkup and I found out that my test level was very low, ED which I knew I had, and BPH to boot, but I didn’t feel anything out of the ordinary. He said, “I’m going to place you on TRT at 200mg/ml. E2W”. “OK doc” The dosage now is 300mg/ml. E2W.
    Since I do my own injections at home and see my doctors every 2-3 months, I’ve increased the dosage to 500mg/ml. every week. Erectile dysfunction is almost gone and only returns when I take too much of a certain medication or if I had too much to drink. I don’t have to use viagra nor levitra anymore like I did months earlier. My Test level is over 1,500ng/dl. and my prostate gland has shrunk down to normal, according to the last doctor visit, and my PSA is 1.20ng/ml. which ain’t bad for an old guy in his fifties.
    I don’t see my usage of testosterone enanthate as steroid usage, since I get it from a clinic, and I like to think of it as being used for medicinal purposes only.
    I like your articles. Keep up the good work.

  10. Schrec says

    It is rare to hear the science put so plainly. Thanks for a well-organized and punchy articleI. I was surprised to hear that steroid users can nearly double their (already huge) sedentary gains with a proper workout. That sets up some unhealthy expectations in the general pop for sure. Now I am wonder, are there are any good markers for a drug-free trainee to predict his or her realistic potential for muscle gains (e.g., physical traits, ethnicity, genes, etc.). Does anyone here know of a few?

      • martin says

        super to read about.
        some commented about what happens after the use. and you said that you can keep a significant part of your muscle gain after the use.

        just a comment. the same is true for people in endurance sports. if you use medication to increase your blood value for example you will be training with this higher values. during competition you will of course be back at normal blood levels, but the training you have put in, made at a higher effort level, will still be beneficial for you, compared to not using any medication. studies say it can give you an enhancing effect for months…

  11. Jose says

    Dude, this article is pure gold!

    Now it all makes sense… I was starting to wonder how come guys in my gym train using bodybuilding split routines with high reps and light weight and still be ripped and huge.
    I assume, this falls under the category of group #2. Their routine is like doing nothing at all but their gains are superior to a natural lifter anyways.

    Good job, thanks for sharing!

  12. bubba says

    I’d rather gain 4 lbs naturally than fuck up my hormonal balance and risk health problems later in life (this shit is BARELY understood at this point).

    Or risk getting arrested.

    Or have to pay 6 grand a year on gear.

    Maybe it’s b/c my penis isn’t small and I have a healthy enough self image (whereas most meatheads who use the stuff have Napoleon Complex aka small penises or Body Dysmporphia).

    Also, the ridiculous stress it must take to have to continuously use the stuff must be nauseating. You’d have to be pretty damn self involved and narcissistic to keep that kind of self serving retarded shit up. Meanwhile you have to “maintain” by adding 4 or 5 OTHER drugs to counteract the side effects.

    No thanks. Not playing Frankenstein with myself.

    • roidsaregodsnectar says

      You can’t gain 4 lbs naturally because it seems you’ve never lifted a weight in your life.

      I can’t get arrested because I get my stuff from a pharmacy, over the counter, in a first world country. The joys of not living in america.

      Again, I don’t pay 6 grand because I don’t live in america where everything is a rip off.

      Aw, so cute. I can assure you that my penis and balls are at a very good size even after my two cycles. Nice try though. Nor do I have body dysmorphia. I’ve been lifting weights since I was 13 because I started playing football (soccer) around that time, and I hit my natural ceiling at 20.

      It’s not ridiculous and stressful at all. As a university student pursuing a degree in chem engineering, I can use myself as an example.

      Stay mad my friend.

  13. etienne says

    Thanks for the article man. I agree with everything. It’s like I wrote the article myself. As someone who has been lifting for 15 years without the use of steroids, I know what you’re talking about.
    I see it all the time. Newbies enter the gym and go straight to the big guy who’s clearly juicing for advice. Mr Juice will talk about his workout and his diet but will fail to mention that he juices. The clueless Newbie will train with mr Juice but he will not see the same results, not even close. Most newbies are completely clueless.

  14. Nath says

    Wow I am really fascinated about the proven study results. Especially considering the group on the juice and not training still gained more than a natural trainer.

    I’m not a big guy but I am muscular for my size and build, I’m still more muscular than a lot of the guys I know on the juice and I still un sure how that is possible.

    Seems like most young guys like me just want to find the fast, easy results without doing things the hard earned way.

    Really good info, awesome stuff. So much deceptive info and advice coming from individuals who lie about steroid use.

  15. Craig says

    If you gain 10 pounds of muscle a year naturally,you just have to look at a 10pound beef steak and you will actually realise its a lot of meat. Stay natural. Good article.

  16. greg says

    Firstly this is a wonderful article and the fact you answer posts still is A+++.

    What im curious is more how much muscle you lose after a cycle with proper post cycle drugs. and how much testosterone production you lose.

  17. Jubu says

    Hi AWorkoutRoutine,

    Great post (and site) – very informative and non-judgemental; just giving the facts straight.

    I have one question – can steroids actually give gains more than is naturally-genetically possible? For example if you can only put on 25lbs of muscle in yoour adult life, can steroids make you go beyond that level?

    Thanks!

  18. bobby says

    Seems like too small a study to me to be an end all be all. I mean 43 guys seems like there could be a lot of variables to accout for the gains such as more in the steriod non workout guys having labor jobs or the natural workout guys being hard gainers. Ive only been lifting for a year and have made good gains about 20 pounds of lean muscle on a so so deit and drinking too much alcohol, but I know I have good genetics my dad and his brothers are all bigger guys. I get guys that have been lifting 2 or 3 years longer then me but are smaller asking “what are you doing” and arctiles like this are going make them say he is definitely juicing.

    • says

      First, 20lbs of muscle for a beginner in their first year of lifting is good, semi-normal progress, especially for someone who has good genetics. Every year after this will be significantly less.

      Second, most of the people I’ve seen say they gained “about 20 pounds of lean muscle on a so so diet and drinking too much alcohol” actually gained 5-10lbs of muscle and a bunch of fat they’re just calling “lean muscle.” Not that this is what you did, but I’m just pointing it out.

      Third, no one is calling this study the end all/be all. It’s more just “the best we have.”

      Fourth, who cares if people see this study and think your natural progress came with the help of drugs? Consider it a compliment.

      Fifth, in this industry, a person will actually be a lot better off (and fall for a lot less bullshit) if they see someone make amazing progress and think “steroids may have played a role here.”

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